From: obrerist@ptdprolog.net
Date: Thu Oct 17 2002 - 00:24:45 EDT
Sounds good to me.
Charlie Hoyt
ozgur usenmez <ozgurusenmez@hotmail.com> said:
> I think people should think about the viability of a worker-owned company
in
> a capitalist system, since structural characteristics of the system
requires
> you to compete with other firms you will inevitably have to make a choice
> between workers' well-being and that of the company. Also banks and credit
> creators would not be generous to a worker-owned company because it
> constitutes a direct threat to the capitalist logic. Even if you go to
stock
> markets demands of investors for short term profitability will constrain
the
> management since democratic decision making would retard capitalists'
> utility maxmizing behavior.At the end I believe that any worker-owned
> company can be viable under conditions of socialist democracy in where
human
> needs are put before the profits as a systemic requirement. But I am not in
> favor of waiting a revolution, work place struggles to democratize the
> socially consequential power of capital over all of us could help the
> construction of a counter-hegemonic working class culture which is the
> cornerstone of the future socialism. Every confrontation with the mangement
> further clarifies the conciousness of the workers about where their real
> interests lie.
>
> OZGUR USENMEZ
> The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims.They openly declare
> that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all
> existing social conditions.Let the ruling class tremble at a communistic
> revolution.The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains.They have
> a world to win."Working Men of All Countries,Unite"
> Karl Heinrich Marx
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Kenneth Alan Miller <pgh_iww_iu450@yahoo.com>
> >To: usas@yahoogroups.com, meghan lee krausch <mlkrausc@midway.uchicago.edu>
> >Subject: Re: [usas] notions of democracy
> >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:05:20 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >Instead of donating the profits - you could share ALL of them with the
> >workers - the workers then being adaquatly repaid for their labor. Then
> >they could decide, with money in hand, whether to make donations or keep
> >the money for themselves. There is one "notion" of democracy For the
OBU,
> >Kenneth
> > meghan lee krausch <mlkrausc@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:Hey folks,
> >
> >does anyone have any advice, suggested reading, criticisms, thoughts, on
> >creating a more than vague notion of "fostering democracy in the
> >workplace"? for example, if one were to actually start a factory with all
> >the proper material ingredients for non-sweatshop-like conditions, how
> >would one then go about making it a truly empowering place for
> >workers? you can't create a union yourself (i don't think that's agood way
> >anyway--i could be wrong), but you can't just arrange everything in a
> >hierarchical way and say that you are ensuring the workers' well-being. do
> >people think that transitioning to a worker-owned corporation (and
> >worker-run--completely) might solve the problem?
> >
> >just to clarify, this is a non-profit factory that aims to sell shirts,
> >employ workers, and donate profits.
> >
> >opinions, thoughts, anything please!
> >
> >-meghan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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